In his column for the January 31 Newsweek, Nick Foulkes opined that becoming a successful bespoke customer takes almost as much time and instruction as becoming a maker of bespoke items. His thought is that most men require guidance for a bespoke purchase, and lacking that guidance a bespoke garment is not necessarily better than one bought ready-made. Amen brother.
When one first goes to a world-reknown bespoke tailor, the experience can be overwhelming. There is a table with as many as two or three thousand fabric samples (I swear the first one I met with had more). Against this is matched the customer's vague desire for a nine month suit of some sort that may be double breasted if the tailor will deign to entertain such a radical idea. In the face of this timidity, the tailor will throw down a dozen swatches while muttering something to the effect that they "can give you whatever you want."
And that's the problem you see. For god's sake, when a man's previous experience is limited to a choice of the three things that the local department store has on the rack this season how can he be expected to know what he needs, let alone what he wants?
In retrospect, I know I got poor advice from my first tailor. There was no Q&A to establish what level of expertise I might have or what was already in my closet. Instead, the representatives of the firm that is generally considered to have the most American business seemed to be in "wham bam thank you madam" mode. And of course, that was one of the manifold reasons they lost me in less than three years.
Before becoming a bespoke client, it behooves any man to spend some time learning about cloth as well as tailoring. From my perspective, the best first suit is one of conservative cloth in a winter or summer fabric. For it is the in-between cloth that a man tends to regret sooner rather than later.
Fashionable details are equally regrettable. A bespoke suit that lasts decades is the antithesis of fashion. The customer should begin with middle of the road selections and then branch out as his understanding of his tailor and his choices grow into understanding.
For what a man doesn't know can indeed hurt, and is likely to.
Friday, March 27, 2009
What You Don't Know Can Hurt
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9 comments:
My dear old thing; this is the sort of thing one learns with the first bespoke nappy, the first stiff collar and 'bum freezer', kicking around for hours at ones father's tailor before a visit to Fortnums for the promised Ice. Surely not something one needs to tell a grown man what? I must say that contrary to your experience the tailors of my youth, as now were extremely careful to ensure one left happy and beautifully attired, bless them!
I think this is insightful and splendid advice, Will. I’m both surprised and saddened to learn of your experience with the tailor “generally considered to have the most American business.” Sounds as if one does not have HRH after their name, then their mileage may vary.
Will-
This post hit home like no other. My first interaction with my tailor (now a friend), was difficult as I was not sure what I wanted and was given little guidance. This resulted in a gray suit I like, a black suit (not such a fan), and a three-button navy pin-stripe that I find few occasions to wear.
However, by research and reviewing your site, I've become an "active" customer and have since had many items made that I am beyond pleased with (suits, shirts, and jackets, alike). Unfortunately, it took a pretty penny to get where I am today, but I'm glad I learned my lesson.
Nonetheless, thank you for your sartorial guidance (as I've emailed you in the past, always receiving a generous answer).
Best,
ZG
Bless you for this post!!! I have just realised I’ve made a typical mistake you’ve mentioned… I’ve ordered my first bespoke suit couple of days ego. /I describe the experience here: http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92660/
Mid grey… four season fabric from Scabal /280 g./ Now, I wonder isn’t it the most boring an useless thing I could possibly order. One suit will never cover 100% of my needs. I think I should rather cover 50% of very basic needs with a summer fabric suit in light shade of grey… I will try to fix that and change my order first thing Monday morning. Bur it can be to late…
Do you mind sharing with us how many Bespoke suits you bought before you were truly happy with the outcome?
Youngin, I was happy with the very first one. It was not until I realized several years later that it did nothing for my wardrobe balance that I became unhappy with the choice.
Every man needs one or two nine month suits. Few of us need a wardrobe of them.
You've no doubt answered this before, but where's a good place to learn about cloth and tailoring?
I don't see "A Complete Dummy's Guide to Bespoke Clothing" on amazon. But perhaps I could use one.
I have an Italian tailor at 800 euro per suit. I have specific ideas. Most of my ideas come from Bond films (the Connery years) and Chinatown (Nicholson). But trying to put this across is really diffeicult.
I'd start with basics in not too heavy cloth.
A chalkstripe that really shows its that=D.B
Prince of Wales=S.B always plus two buttons
A Mid Grey=D.B or S.B
Getting a mid weight cloth makes sense as when it gets cold you just throw on your camel hair overcoat.Mine was made to mid calf.
In Italy in makes sense.
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