One extra wrap makes these knots longer, wider and better able to fill a wider shirt collar like a wide spread, especially with a thinner necktie. Each alternative preserves the four in hand's asymmetry, and the air of nonchalance that is slightly compromised by the regularity of the half and full windsor. The only difference between the two is that the large end of the tie goes through the inner wrap for an Albert and the outer wrap for the Victoria.
Both knots have the secondary benefit of using an extra couple inches of tie length, which, like the windsors, make them useful for ties that might otherwise hang below the waistband.
Add a dimple to either and be ready to face the day.
Illustration: uniform-ties.com
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Those two are my go-to tie knots. My one problem with them is that the extra wrap tends to make them slightly more difficult to dimple well.
Erik
Being slightly shorter than average, the Victoria knot is the knot I use on ties made of thicker materials that would not take well to a half-windsor (or the modified asymmetrical version of it I use), but are too long to use a 4IH on.
Looks almost the same as a 4IH, but slightly plumper, and also shortens the length of the average tie just enough.
And if you go round once more, you look like W. C. Fields
Nope. Sorry. Just can't do it. I still find the asymmetry of the four-in-hand and its cousins to be aesthetically displeasing. Guess I'm just persnickety that way.
My go-to knot these days is the half Windsor, though due to my being vertically challenged, I sometimes must resort to a full Windsor just to keep the ends high enough. Fortunately, that's not an issue with many vintage ties.
Love these knots...however my understanding was that the large blade went through the outer wrap on an Albert and the inner wrap on a Victoria. Am I mistaken on this Will or am I not understanding you post correctly?
I've been using these configurations for years with knitted ties but never knew they were called the V & A.
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